Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians; Michelle Obama: America is Ignorant;

Wright shows his tolerance for typical white people yet again:

The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans.

http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/222729.a sp

More inspirational words of Hope and Unity from Michelle Obama.

Because sometimes it's easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance. That's America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtIHTFuMn WI



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Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians; Michelle Obama: (2.00 / 1)

Michelle Obama is fast becoming a liability to the democrats if Obama is the nominee.

No doubt she would be used in ads , coupled with the wrigth thing to question Obama's patriotism.

The more she talks , the more it seems she actually shares the belief of Wrigth.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:04:17 PM EST

She may be a liability... (none / 0)

...but this quote isn't Wright-like at all.  It's a statement of fact.  We still live in a country where racism is alive and well.  We've made lots of progress, but we're not done yet.  

What exactly do you disagree with?  


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:06:27 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (2.00 / 2)

The way she is constantly harping on how bad she thinks America is , the more you have to wonder if she doesn't agree with Wrigth.

Her statements are becoming a trend.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:09:07 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Now you're going after the guy's wife. Sad. I seem to remember a day when a certain other party did that to our nominees.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:12:38 PM EST
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Then lay off of Bill. (2.00 / 3)

OK?


by squid on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:26:19 PM EST
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Re: Then lay off of Bill. (2.00 / 1)

A couple things here...
First, I don't pick on Bill. I still hold Bill in high regard. (I don't really have a problem with Hillary, but I do with her campaign and consultants.)

Second, Bill is a former president of the united states. He's not just a guy basically dragged into the spotlight by his spouse's run for office. Bill commands media attention precisely because he was the president, and that undoubtedly how he wants it. (Comparison: Bill makes a speech, it's covered live on CNN. Michelle makes a speech, no one cares unless Oprah's also on the dais. Think he wants that kind of coverage reversed?)

Having said that, I understand Michelle opens herself up to scrutiny by virtue of campaigning. It's unfortunate, because it seems that this never applies to republican spouses, and the alternative--a spouse sitting silently for a year--is impossible.

Nonetheless, the reason I wrote my comment is because I expect to see the wingnut sites attacking Michelle Obama for "hating America." It is extremely sad to see that kind of attack on a purportedly Democratic site.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:04:29 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Since when is dailykos another part??


by DTaylor on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:22:48 PM EST
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American.... (none / 0)

So...America is perfect? You know this is the first time most American's are getting clued into the black experience. Democrats usually think education is a good thing.


by JoeCoaster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
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First time? Hardly! (2.00 / 1)

America has been inundated with "the black experience" for generations and subjected to endless prattle about diversity for at least a generation.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:39:07 PM EST
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Re: First time? Hardly! (2.00 / 1)

Are you a democrat?  Seriously?  Because if you are you should be ashamed.  

Racism still exists, no matter how much you want to deny it.  Saying as much doesn't mean you don't love your country, it means that you're not blind.  Also, diversity is important and I think it is repugant that you refer to talking about as "prattle."  

In sum, your entire comment would be far more comman at redstate than here.  Maybe you should look for another home.  


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:04:59 PM EST
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No, you are not General Secretary Stalin (2.00 / 1)

And you don't get to decide who should, or should not, be a Democrat.  You also don't get to decide who posts here.  Get over yourself.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:13:37 PM EST
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Re: No, you are not General Secretary Stalin (none / 0)

By all means, keep posting.  I'm a big believer that the best cure for offensive speech is more speech.  I just think it's pretty stunning that a self-described Democrat thinks diversity is "prattle" and is offended by someone saying that racism still exists.  

In your next post are you going to discuss your support for "states rights?"  


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:32:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, I'm not offended by that simple assertion (none / 0)

Racism does still exist but it is not the most important item on the national agenda.  

And I have become a bigger believer in states rights in my older age, primarily because I have seen how the right wing is even better at  exploiting centralized government than the left.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:53:44 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

I'm sorry, but when a would-be American President's wife takes published swipes at America--as that comment would be considered by many people (whether or not low or high information voters), there is going to be a campaign problem.  Again, it is not a single statement; it is the cumulative effect.  The 527s will highlight comments viewed as "unpatriotic" (whether spouse or not) repeatedly.  This kind of thing also lends itself to a whispering campaign.  Its nothing new; it happens in every campaign at some level.  The problem here--if you step back and look at--is that there are more than the usual number of unfortunate statements/pictures by both Obamas that WILL be played back in an ugly tapestry.  The question for those who support the Senator from Illinois is how do you respond; what ad addressing middle America do you create.  Looking at the history of political campaigns in the past 50 years, these kinds of comments matter (rightly or wrongly)...a lot.


by christinep on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:55:59 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

There, there chicken little. I'm sure if Clinton's nominated, the 527s will just twiddle their thumbs for the next eight months.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:06:11 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

So, what is your answer???


by christinep on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:46:00 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

ANY Democrat's "answer" should be that it's utterly ridiculous to state that Michelle Obama is "taking swipes at America," and anyone who does so, or who otherwise questions the Obamas' patriotism, is insidiously advancing right-wing talking points.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:51:04 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

Sorry, no, I can't get with a "Michelle Obama right or wrong" crowd. Politicians and their surrogates make mistakes. She may have experienced America as holding on to it's stereotypes and misconceptions, and as justified in it's ignorance, but that is not what America is. As a Democrat I am under no obligation to defend stupid statements, even if Obama does win the nomination.


by souvarine on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:08:54 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

I'm not asking you to agree with her. But if you really believe that Obama or his wife don't love their own country, then there's just such a divide between us that further conversation is pointless.

I swear, it's like I'm in a time-warp back to 2002, when politicians were tripping over themselves to proclaim who loved America the most and declaring all their opponents to be traitors.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:15:22 PM EST
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Re: American.... (none / 0)

Namecalling & bull.


by christinep on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:11:43 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Well, to be blunt I suspect the world is a harder place if you're a black woman from the south side of Chicago.  She's not a politician and she doesn't BS as well as many, but nothing she said here is factually wrong or aimed at anyone in particular.  And it has no connection to what Wright said at all.  

If you want to argue it does, you're going to have to spell that out for me.  At present, your argument seems to be that any statement recognizing that racism still exists is akin to Wright's truly offensive statements.  I truly hope that's not what you mean.


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:15:09 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (2.00 / 3)

"Well, to be blunt I suspect the world is a harder place if you're a black woman from the south side of Chicago"

I would venture to say that the world is a harder place if you are a working joe and not a couple of Ivy League law school graduates making about a million dollars a year no matter what race you are.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:25:40 PM EST
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Michelle, parading around in her White Mink (2.00 / 1)

whining about America.


by squid on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:27:59 PM EST
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Re: Michelle, parading around in her White Mink (none / 0)

Well that does it for me.   White mink is so tacky.


by Tolstoy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:43:33 PM EST
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Re: Michelle, parading around in her White Mink (2.00 / 1)

...and it's not even Memorial Day yet.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:46:06 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Given that she's from a working class family and made it to Princeton and Harvard law on her own steam, I'm not sure what your point is.  

Money matters a lot, but so does race.  It's not an either/or proposition.  Are you really arguing that, all other things being equal, it's not more challenging to be black in this country?    


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:36:58 PM EST
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For many black women, that is probably true (none / 0)

But, from what I can tell, Michelle Obama has had a rather charmed life.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:35:40 PM EST
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Re: For many black women, that is probably true (none / 0)

If by "charmed" you mean achieving amazing success coming out of a working class family where your father was forced to deal with a debilitating case of MS, then yeah -- her life was "charmed."  


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:38:27 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (2.00 / 5)

Yes, racism exists.  But saying "that's America" sounds like she is not part of America.  She sounds like she is standing, arms crossed, shaking her head, at this unpleasant place in which she lives. She has benefited tremendously from this country. But you would never know it when she speaks.  This is political theatre and she fails miserably at it.

When you run for President (or make speeches on his behalf as the prospective first lady) symbolism matters.  Patriotism matters.  You may think it is ridiculous, but a candidate whose very patriotism is in question is a big problem with many, many voters.   There is a disdain for this country that Michelle Obama echoes every time she opens her annoyed and indignant trap. She is a huge liability for the Dems.


by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:13:50 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

I couldn't disagree with you more.  By saying "that's America," she certainly is acknowledging that this country has some warts.  That doesn't mean she doesn't nonetheless love her country and the mere fact that the GOP doubtless will argue that doesn't make it acceptable to trumpet the charge on a progressive site like MYDD.  That's ludicrous.

Seriously, have we gotten to a point where it's now unpatriotic to acknowledge that the country isn't perfect?


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:17:59 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (2.00 / 1)

Look, anyway you look at it, Michelle's statement is extremely cynical, and basically implying that an essential and salient trait to America is that it harbors deep seated prejudices. The sentiment is holier-than-thou, scolding, extremely negative, and just plain obnoxious for someone representing a political campaign, and especially for a campaign allegedly based on "hope" and "unity". She really does sound as if she has little more than contempt for our country -- a sentiment quite consistent with other things she has said.

If Michelle, as a wife, does not want to be criticized, her remedy is easy enough: she should shut her mouth and get off the campaign trail.

But so long as she insists on putting herself out there, she'd part of the campaign, and her statements clearly reflect on that campaign.


by frankly0 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:32:49 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Now hold on for a minute. This is not the coffeehouse or the university. This is American politics - the stagecraft needed to position a candidate to win begs a much lighter touch than this.  It is naive to think otherwise. Most Americans want to know their president, and his wife, at the very least, unreservedly love their country. Is that so hard to understand?  Are you tone deaf?

If you want to be president, yes, you have to wear the flag pin on your lapel, put your hand on your heart during the national anthem, and tell everyone, yes, I love this country.  If the Obamas feel that they are so entitled to win the nomination while still maintaining their "America must come to grips with its despicable history of racial injustice" arguments, they are sure to lose and lose big.  


by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:54:44 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

From a diplomatic and expectations standpoint, a would-be First Lady is expected to support America and not to disparage the country publicly.


by christinep on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:59:49 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Indeed.  And she goes out there and tells young people to go to college and use their education to benefit the community - become nurses and teachers even though the pay is low - don't go corporate!  In other words don't go for the big bucks like I did.  Give, give, give, says Miz take, take, take.


by Tolstoy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:47:58 PM EST
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Re: She may be a liability... (none / 0)

Actually, Michelle's comment applies to a good percentage of the folks on this site, so I don't know how you can argue against it.

As for the other quote, it's from a publication not available without subscription, so I doubt the diarist has read the context, but when has that ever mattered?

You know, as Democrats, we're supposed to be better than this. This site is all negative, all the time. How about some positive Hillary Clinton diaries instead of always trying to tear down Barack Obama, who, like it or not, is very likely to be the Democratic nominee.

Or maybe half these people are just Republicans laughing with glee at their keyboards. I hope primary season is over soon so we can tell the difference.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:25:47 PM EST
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It may be semi-factual (none / 0)

Although, truly now, "statement of fact" is stretching it.  It's a viewpoint, not a fact.  Maybe it's even a legitimate viewpoint, or partially legitimate.

What it's NOT, imo, is politically acceptable in this country, today.  People hear stuff like that and they take it personally.  That's especially true of swing voters, who typically don't harbor internal in-depth critiques of the culture and politics.


by Trickster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:55:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"chianti noses" would've been too lame (2.00 / 1)

Michelle is already at that point and I'm surprised they have her out talking again.  Technically, what she says is not bigoted toward one group or another because the observations could apply to any group (hey, even hippies vs. jocks) but the more important question is, "Are these necessary campaign themes?"  To the elite left, perhaps they are.  But to most other Americans, I suspect they are not.

I don't think most Americans want to keep hearing lectures from Barack and Michelle about how they need to embrace diversity.  Many Americans are inundated with diversity rhetoric in academic institutions and in the workplace.  Let Americans work out their own differences and learn about each other themselves.  I know that laissez faire position on human behavior is tough for many liberals to swallow but it is more in line with what the majority believes.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:25:05 PM EST
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Working out so well before (none / 0)

Let Americans work out their own differences and learn about each other themselves.
Yeah, 'cause that was working out so well before, eh?  Why employers were practically begging for black workers, and neighborhoods welcomed minorities with wide-open arms.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:59:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When are you leftists going to learn? (none / 0)

You can't force people to love and appreciate each other.  Barry Goldwater was right.  Those demands are rejected or ignored even more strongly if the expectations are placed on some sectors of the population but not on others.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:28:52 PM EST
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Re: When are you leftists going to learn? (none / 0)

Love and appreciation are out of my hands.  I do insist, however, that everyone have equal opportunity and access to "the American Dream"; and that was quite clearly not happening on its own without government intervention.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:32:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OK, no argument there (2.00 / 1)

But some people interpret equal opportunity to mean a guarantee of equal (or even preferred) results.


by lombard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:45:19 PM EST
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Re: OK, no argument there (none / 0)

We don't have anything close to equal opportunity, so I'm not sure what your point is.  It sounds as if you're simply hostile to a right wing caricature of affirmative action programs.  


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:01:23 PM EST
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Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians; Michelle Obama: (none / 0)

Yes, and michelle should realize that making blanket statements about America is a stereotype, itself.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:08:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

can this (none / 0)

diary have any less substance.

quit trolling.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:05:01 PM EST

I recommended it. (none / 0)

Even though it's short, it makes a point.


by squid on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:29:14 PM EST
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Re: I recommended it. (none / 0)

What point?  That racism from Hillary supporters is acceptable here?  No thanks.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:01:02 PM EST
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Re: I recommended it. (none / 0)

Might I ask which Hillary supporter and what viewpoint/comment you are referring to?


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:23:59 PM EST
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Re: can this (none / 0)

If the diary is trolling, then tell me, is Michelle Obama trolling the campaign by making statements like this?


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:10:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

Don't Use Wright to Polarize

"He (Rev. Wright) has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence."

Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -


by JoeCoaster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:09:22 PM EST

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

Except he wasn't the pastor there when they went to that church.

Nice try though!


by cmugirl90 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:18:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

Sure, and why don't you tell us exactly what he has done in all these decades for justice and inclusion in our society. How come no one ever really heard of him until recently?


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

That is an ignorant question. The man has a PhD, and a stack of honorary PhDs from universities around the country. He's spent thirty years helping the poor and unemployed in Chicago. He's spoken out against homophobia in the black community. He received three Presidential commendations from Lyndon Johnson, and assisted in heart surgery on the former President. He's published books, been invited to the White House by Bill Clinton, served in the Marines, and done God's work for three decades. What have you done? Not your research, apparently.
by jere7my on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:59:26 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

He has a PhD in what? And you tout his honarary PhD's as some kind of work for justice? Give me some links to his speaking out against homophobia? How in the world is his assistance in a heart surgery germane to the question, here. And tell me how exactly did he assist? What books has he published, and in what way have they added to the fight for justice? Bill Clinton invited him to a dinner at the White House. How, in your learned opinion does this add to the fight for justice?

And what you have done or I have done doesn't in any way lessen or intensify what he has or hasn't done. For someone as smart as you think you are, i'm surprised you would reach for such a trite point.

Finally, I do understand that calling people ignorant happens in a heated political campaign, but let me give you some advice, it doesn't help your candidate in his quest, especially a candidate who has made so much about a new politics of hope and change. Hurling childish insults, just because you are angry doesn't sound like a new politics, but rather it sounds like very bad behavior.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:07:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

I didn't call you ignorant; I called your question ignorant.  There's a difference.  It's quite possible for a very smart person to ask an ignorant question.

As for your barrage of questions, the answers are freely available with a few thirty-second Google searches; I'm not going to do your research for you.  It behooves you (and everyone) to do research before posting a comment; otherwise you post in ignorance.  It behooves you (and everyone) to do research before judging a man.


by jere7my on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:38:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

OK, perhaps it's unfair to expect you to do research before posting. Here's a quote from Newsweek to answer one of your questions:

"As a leader, Wright defied convention at every turn. In an interview with the Chicago Tribune last year, he recalled a time during the 1970s when the UCC decided to ordain gay and lesbian clergy. At its annual meeting, sensitive to the historic discomfort some blacks have with homosexuality, gay leaders reached out to black pastors. At that session, Wright heard the testimony of a gay Christian and, he said, he had a conversion experience on gay rights. He started one of the first AIDS ministries on the South Side and a singles group for Trinity gays and lesbians--a subject that still rankles some of the more conservative Trinity members, says Dwight Hopkins, a theology professor at the University of Chicago and a church member."

[link]

It's a good article. Why not read it?
by jere7my on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:51:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

i'm glad he had an epiphany on the issue of gay rights last year, but this certainly does not lend credence to the point that he has worked for decades in this struggle, which was your original point.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:29:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

Sorry didn't read that correctly, been a long day, getting a bit bleary eyed. Actualy he does sound good on the issue. Thanks for the chat.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:18:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

You made the original statement, so you should be able to back it up with research, and not expect people to do your work. You say you didn't call me ignorant, but, rather, you were referring to my question. well we not only support different candidates, but another difference between us is I don't believe there are any ignorant questions, only ignorant answers. This is not to imply anything about your answers, so don't take it the wrong way.

On your last point, I do agree with you.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:19:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

An ignorant question is one that presupposes falsehood or misinformation in its framing. "Why is it that the Mormons like kissing bears?" is an ignorant question; it contains a wrong assumption that could be corrected with a little research. Wright is very well known in the civil rights and religious communities; I think the premise of your question was wrong. He was one of Ebony magazines "Top 15 Preachers in the US", for instance. I've seen many many people, here and elsewhere, judge Dr. Wright without doing even the scanty amount of research I did. Yes, it would be better if I had the patience and time to educate them all individually; even so, I find it frustrating that so many are willing to let soundbites suffice, and I wish more people would do basic research. We should, all of us, be seeking the truth of the matter, not what benefits one candidate or another.
by jere7my on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:57:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

Addendum: Your question asked why nobody had ever heard of him until now. The reason I called it ignorant was because, clearly, many people had heard of him. The honorary PhDs, books, and Presidential commendations I mentioned speak to that specific question you asked.
by jere7my on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:40:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary's former Church... (none / 0)

Come on, you can't be that literal. I didn't mean that no one ever heard of him. I was pointing out that for someone who supposedly was in the fight for justice for, decades, as you pointed out, he was not very well known. of course that was until, the substance of some of his sermons were widely viewed and read.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:24:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah.. (2.00 / 1)

we know Rev. Wright is incendiary when he speaks about race.  But that Michelle Obama thing.. yowzers.  She really does need to shut the hell up with her cynicism and general distrust of most Americans.  


by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:12:02 PM EST

Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians (none / 0)

Do you have a feeling that Michelle doesn't really like us Americans?

Must be a family thing among wives and uncles.


by Scotch on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:20:12 PM EST

Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians (none / 0)

"us Americans"? Michelle Obama is just as much an American as you, you [astute intelligent open-minded Democrat]!

I think I just found a new convention for myself. Whenever I put something in square brackets I mean something else, but have deliberately stopped myself from saying it. Often, I may mean just the opposite.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:28:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You thought this up all by yourself? (2.00 / 1)

You are so [very clever].

This garlic nosed Italian is convinced Michele Obama is one nasty piece of work.  Period.


by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:02:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You thought this up all by yourself? (none / 0)

From one Italian to another, Michelle Obama didn't say that. How quick you are to tear down remarkably intelligent women. I'm surprised.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:16:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians (none / 0)

No Kidding.  I wonder if she knows that.  I think it's called self loathing. You[smart pelvis]  


by Scotch on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:18:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians; Michelle (1.00 / 1)

I agree with her.  When she said thats america she means that people can be who they want to be because being american means we are free to be who we are.  Thats america.


by Spanky on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:20:33 PM EST

We want to be ignorant? (none / 0)


by JimR on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:33:40 PM EST
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Re: We want to be ignorant? (none / 0)

Ever hear the phrase ignorance is bliss? Very similar.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:29:33 PM EST
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Freedom of Speech - except for Obama's (none / 0)

Obama supporters are the sorry victims of false consciousness. In a classically elitist catch-22, the proof of their delusion lies in their inability to grasp Clinton's superiority as a candidate.


by Chimpeach on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:24:31 PM EST

Plus, she wears a fur coat sometimes. (none / 0)

I read that in a diary a few down that has already been recommended by a few folks here.

And the Obamas don't give enough money to charity. They're misers. And probably assholes.

Great stuff. All of it.

Heh. And Jerome talks about Obama supporters in his front page post.

Apparently, he doesn't read the diaries on his own blog.

It does make me laugh out loud, though!

So thanks for the laughs.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:24:59 PM EST

Nobody wears fur coats anymore because (2.00 / 1)

of the inhumane way the animals are trapped and killed.


by squid on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:32:55 PM EST
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That should disqualify Obama right there. (none / 0)

Jeez...


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:38:14 PM EST
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are you a democrat, Bob? (none / 0)

Just curious.


by squid on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:33:54 PM EST
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Yeah, are you? (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:37:47 PM EST
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Sure you are. (none / 0)


by squid on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:07:43 PM EST
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Wright & M. Obama Comments (none / 0)

The Wright thing is not surprising, but I'm not really sure that I find anything wrong with what Michelle Obama said.  Wright's comment is a perfect example to back up her statement.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:25:37 PM EST

You're not getting it. (2.00 / 0)

She hates Americans. I know it because I read it here.


by Bob Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:38:52 PM EST
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Re: Wright: Garlic Nosed Italians; Michelle Obama: (2.00 / 1)

I think we can all can agree that as much as Barack Obama has linked himself to Jeremiah Wright, and deserves to be questioned for his influence upon him, I don't think we can easily say that he completely agrees w/Wright.

But I'm getting a strong feeling Michelle just might.  Her comments have been struck in the same chord, and I think they could be a major liability in the election come November if he is the nominee.

We all were here in 2004 when we saw the Republicans go after Teresa Heinz Kerry as being blunt, unfeminine, and at times, unpatriotic.  Michelle Obama is writing the blueprint for the "guilt by marriage" association the McCain campaign has been waiting for.

They're going to paint a very nasty picture this Fall, and my fear is that picture is going to mean 4 more years of failed war, 4 more years of a failed economy, and a lost opportunity for progressive victory.

It is starting to feel, with these racial comments that don't play well in Middle America, among Moderates, or among whites, along with the interparty fighting, that this is 1988 all over again, and we're sacrificing a golden opportunity laid right in our hands.


I'm proud to be a Hillary Clinton supporter!
by takingbackamerica on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:07:15 PM EST


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